[കേ.ശാ.സാ.പ] Re: KSSP- Debate

Hi Salim,

If you do not know how you were included in the list, why wont you (and like
minded many others) unsubscribe?

Regards
Arun

On 4/16/07, salimtk <salimtk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> pl. dont mind to spam this group, as i am not interested in watching
> others wash their linen in public.
>
> i and, i believe, many others on this mailing list have nothing to do with
> shastrasahitya parishad or cpm. moreover, we are still in the shock of
> nandigram. i dont know how come i was included in this list. and many of
> the long long explanations sound to me 'frog in the well', addressing no one
> outside cpm/parishad boundry. so waste of time.
>
> so please watch your mouth. :)
>
>
> On 4/16/07, thomas joseph <thomasatps_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Arun and others,
> >
> > Since this discussion forum is named after KSSP, I presume, this Arun
> > is the one who was at IRTC, whom I know and being met occassionally.
> > Hence, I dare this comment. Ignore, if I am wrong.
> >
> > One fails to understand the sentiments arising out of dissatisfaction
> > or disillusionment out of the present day situation, in which the left
> > movement is fitted in. One cannot blame any one individual or group
> > or organisation for the same. Generally, it seems every body blames
> > the left movement or the predominant organisation for all that has
> > happened in the past. To me, the organisation or organisations are the
> > collective manifestation of the masses. To blame one group or
> > organisation is just shirking our responsibility.
> >
> > Aruns, self criticism, or is it self realisation, that you were
> > wasting the time by conducting 'Kala jathas'
> > is an opinion coming out of frustration. Is the situation out of
> > control, to be so much frustrated.
> >
> > In my opinion, the present day predicament of the vast majority is the
> > result of the resalisation that their belief, nurtured so far, have
> > been proved wrong. It is the belief and not the reality, i mention.
> > Now, the predominant organisations, the left movement as a whole is
> > being blamed for the disillusionment, while the organisations or the
> > ideology they stand for are not at all proved false. They cannot be
> > blamed for misleading us as well. Because, the left movement and the
> > ideology they base upon clearly tells us to view every phenomena and
> > developments in a dialectical perspective, while by and large we have
> > been nursing the ideas in a formal logical perspective.
> >
> > Let me make it short. We are on one part advocate scientific approach.
> > How many of us are scientific in our daily life. We want democracy and
> > socialism. There cannot be democracy without socialism or the other
> > way. How many of us are democrats ? How many of us are socialists.
> >
> > Democracy doesnot only mean that our ideas are honoured by all. One
> > has to honour the ideas of others as well. Socialism doesnot only mean
> > that we shall have equal opportunity with any one of the society. One
> > has to agree and work for equal opportunities for one and all of the
> > society, without which we cannot bring in socialism.
> > But here we find the workers and their unions fight for their rights,
> > while they forget the society. Yes, it is true that they fight for
> > their existance. But at the same time they have to realise that their
> > ultimate aim is not this fight which is ensured only by the continued
> > existance of the present system and its dominant force, the capital.
> > The workers and their organisations opposed introduction of any new
> > technology (Including computerisation) in the past with a view to
> > ensure their existance. It was well within their rights. But they
> > forgot to address the issues arising out of it, out of the fight and
> > the resultant situation. Now they are alienated from any thing that is
> > modern. The workers should have realised that what they are fighting
> > against is the policy of the dominant forces to use the technology
> > against us, the workers and the poor. It should have been well
> > understood that we shall be empowered ourselves with all that is new
> > and modern, including technology. Had, the technology been of no power
> > or effect, we neednot have opposed it.
> >
> > What I feel is all of us have been led by the formal logic. Should
> > have dielectical logic.
> >
> > Since, led by formal logic, we entrenched ourselves in the fight,
> > unmindful of what the other side is doing. We failed to address the
> > issues of our own empowerment. It iis cent percent correct to oppose
> > the adversary in using the weapon against us. That doesnot mean that
> > we should not use the same weapon to our advantage.
> >
> > This approach will definitely clear our misunderstanding on almost all
> > the current issues, including that of the modern IT, ADB loan or
> > Nandigram or what ever it is.
> >
> > Dear comrade, dont be so disillusioned.
> >
> > We, the working class, never go wrong. We, the individuals may go
> > wrong. A group may go wrong. An organisation may go wrong. But not the
> > movement.
> >
> > It is pretty long already.
> >
> > Joseph Thomas.
> >
> > The belief :
> >
> > On 4/16/07, Kuttappan Vijayachandran < kvijaya40_at_yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Dear Arun and other friends of KSSP,
> > > Arun's analysis is based on down-to-earth facts, objective and sincere
> > to
> > > the core. Around and after 1990, several things have happened: We, in
> > the
> > > Left and the Working Class movement, managed well the crisis that had
> > swept
> > > the Socialist World. However, we are yet to catch up with the more
> > recent
> > > global renaissance of the socialist spirit. Organisational problems
> > and
> > > ideological weaknesses of CPI(M), the largest working class movement
> > in the
> > > country, are the major impediment.
> > > Palghat was an aberration and Singur-Nandigram has popped up after
> > eight
> > > years. And, I do not believe, as many would like to interpret, that
> > from
> > > Calcutta Thesis to Singur-Nadigram to was a continuous transition.
> > Birth of
> > > CPI(M) was of a corrective by India's modern proletarians who are
> > bound to
> > > assert themselves once again. I look forward to this and work toward
> > the
> > > very same objective. As Arun said all these need detailed and far more
> > > serious discussions, far outside the frame work set by Bimith.
> > > There is no point in branding any body as agents of CIA; that only
> > blocks
> > > exchange of views and opening up of debates. I do not know how many of
> > you
> > > have read my open letter to Richard Frankee & Co.. In case you would
> > care to
> > > read, it will be my pleasure to forward a copy.
> > > With warm greetings from Kochi.
> > >
> > > Arun Sreekumar <arunsree_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Biminith,KSSP friends, friendly critiques
> > >
> > > Thought of writing in Malayalam, it would have expressed my thoughts
> > > clearly.
> > > Seems it takes more time than I expect, so I think it is better to
> > write
> > > something than not. So, let me put in my rudimentary English.
> > > I think it wold take more than one mail to put my thoughts. It is 100%
> >
> > > personal perspective.
> > >
> > > I came familier to Parishath through 'Eureka Vijnjana Pareeksha'
> > during late
> > > seventies and has become a Balavedi worker after couple of years.
> > Balavedi
> > > work, reading of parishath books and periodicals and interaction with
> > > various parishath workers has influenced my thoughts, and I eventually
> > > became a parishath activist over some years, like most of the
> > parishath
> > > workers of my generation. I think that KSSP activities were the
> > foundation
> > > stones of my scientific temper (which I assess myself as not very bad)
> > as
> > > well as my outlook as a social animal.
> > >
> > > Involvement with SFI and DYFI also developed parallely and I became a
> > > candidate member of CPI(M) in 1990, when I was the unit secretary of
> > KSSP. I
> > > 'believed' that scientific temper alone is a 'cure for all', and
> > masses
> > > 'aromoured with scientific temper' alone could change the society.
> > >
> > > It took some time to understand (at least partially) about the
> > complexity of
> > > class relations in society and then only I could realize that the
> > scientific
> > > temper itself is a creation of the class society. It became obvious
> > that,
> > > you cannot change the society by simply enlightening.
> > > To change the society, class differences has to be fought out.
> > > This gave more clarity to well known "Science for social revoluion"
> > and
> > > "KSSP is a struggle-support organization, not an organization to lead
> > > struggles of its own".
> > >
> > > I think this understanding is very important and it is one idividuals
> > > freedom or preference to be involved with a political party or an
> > > organization like KSSP.
> > >
> > > Bimineeth and Vijayachandran Sir, in my experience, there is not a
> > single
> > > instance the CPIM tried to hijack KSSP or KSSP tried hijack the CPIM.
> > Like
> > > myself and similar thousands of 'dual-members' in the lower level,
> > there
> > > were a quiete a few dual-members at the higher committees as well, but
> > the
> > > organizational structure of the KSSP is open and democratic to the
> > core that
> > > someone cannot simply deviate the discussion and get a decision.
> > >
> > > Once upon a time, there were ideological debates going inside the
> > CPIM.
> > > 'Dual' members have defenitely participated in these at their
> > individual
> > > capacity. As an organization, KSSP cannot be blamed or praised for
> > this. As
> > > an idividual, I have serious disagreements with many views of KSSP and
> > many
> > > views of senior KSSP activists (For example with MP himself. I do not
> > > subscribe to his view of a post-capitalist world. Same time, I can
> > respect
> > > them as a vision of a thinkful individual, and any criticism towards
> > it
> > > shall be genuine and ideological. It is criminal to brand it 'CIA
> > > philosophy' )
> > >
> > > Coming back to the issue of 'loss of influence in society'. It is
> > clearly
> > > exerienced that the CPIM, KSSP or any progressive movement in kerala
> > has no
> > > influence in Kerala Society, outside the shrnked circle of traditional
> > > followers these movements. On the other side, rightwing movements,
> > communal
> > > forces, spiritual leaders etc are inceasing their mass base.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, the reason for this is the disfunction of the CPIM as a
> > > communist party. Unlike the fish in the water, the party has become a
> > > sediment deposit, which blocks the flow of the water.
> > >
> > > Many KSSP workers including myself has created a false identity of
> > 'being
> > > different'. (I realized this after many years and tried my level best
> > to get
> > > out of it, not capable of assess, how much could I come out). We
> > created
> > > small gatherings of our own and limited our interaction to these
> > circles,
> > > smae time had a feeling that we were doing something great. We
> > followed
> > > kalajathas from one center to the other in bicyles and created
> > audience of
> > > our own. We prettended to 'learn everything' and never realized that
> > it was
> > > foolish. We developped mannerisms which made other people avoid us
> > branding
> > > 'pseudo budhijeevi'. We never become normal human beings. So it is
> > natural
> > > that we become the residuants (keetam) in the society.In every crowd,
> > you
> > > will realize a KSSP man/woman. What a pity!
> > >
> > > The crisis of the comminist movement also is alianation from society.
> > The
> > > reasons are different and if needed can be discussed outside this
> > discussion
> > > forum.
> > >
> > > Sasneham
> > > Arun
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >

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