[കേ.ശാ.സാ.പ] Re: [കേ.ശാ.സാ

I am sorry- I do not know to invoke Dialetical materialism to advocate the
open source philosophy. But I can tell a few things:

For some time now, most of the women in Kerala carries a saftey pin with her
when they get into a bus or any such public space. You know why. Go to
Calicut 'City' and see the ratio of women to men you can see in pure
daylight- around- say 2 PM.

And in the mean time take a look the new employment opportunities coming up
in the state.. The new Sheemaattis showroom in Thrissur, the new Kalyan
Silks in Kochi, the new Gaudy But Costly Jewelers in Calicut. Television is
filled with crappy soaps with an avid viewership, sthreedanam, aachaarams
and the caste-religion blaah is increasing in the society with a vengeance.

People from Bangalore, the Gulf and other places work hard day and night,
and send their hard earned money to Kerala. The folks at Kerala lives
happily, buying new sets of Jewelery and Silks, attending weddings, bidding
for max(Kudumbapperuma, sthreedhanam) for marriages. And the rest of the
folks wake up in the morning, get into their jeans n shirt, get into their
bike and go to the nearest Junction. They stay there, ogling teasing girls,
commenting on how their asses move.

Not forgetting to mention the sales statistics of liquor in "prabhudha
keralam".

In my view- Kerala is moving towards becoming the old braanthaalayam it once
was.

And see how some people are thinking(in this group). Out of sync with
reality, out of sync with what is happening in the real world. In their
dreams and fantasies- the world will get better if the 90,000 jobs (and
associated social welfare. IT is one field where male chauvinism has not
shown its face much, yet) should be scrapped because it will be hosting
companies that will create software which is not open source.

I know I might be hurting some people. But some things have to be told.

On 5/3/07, deepak p <deepakp7_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Joseph
>
> Sorry if I offended you. But, I still feel that you tend to underestimate
> the importance of smart city. i work in an IT park which is dubbed as the
> biggest IT park in bangalore apart from ITPL (the park in Whitefield).. and
> it has, in the words of many, seen tremendous development in the last 4-5
> years.. for those who care, i am talking about the Kelachandra Embassy Golf
> Links Business Park, Domlur, Bangalore... and it still has juz around 25000
> employees.. so, from what I have seen, if the Smart City can create 90000
> jobs, it is humungous.. it would redefine Kerala as an IT-friendly state..
> remember that the biggest single campus in kerala, that of FACT, still has
> just around 4000 employees (and it juz had around 8000 employees in it's
> prime).. so, Smart City is definitely a giant leap in opportunities for the
> unemployed youth in Kerala..
>
> and yes, the left government did a very good negotiation.. i strongly
> agree to that.. and the present karaar is much better than what the last
> sarkar planned to do.. but, the importance of smart city for kerala cannot
> be belittled and i dont think the media has overhyped it, is what i feel..
> once again, 90000 seems to be a huge number, man.. our entire state
> government and its machinery would only be 5-6 times as big as smart city in
> terms of entiure strength..
>
> deepak
>
>
> On 5/3/07, Joseph Mathew <josephcm_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Your were putting words and a certain tone into my mouth :-)
> >
> > I did say Smart city is not that big as it is made out to be. The court
> > says it is a dream project. Why? I have not understood. It is a project
> > which will provide building space (not even infrastructure as that is a
> > superset) for IT firms at a much better pace than what the government parks
> > do. And they might market Kerala more .... But not an óttamuli' as some
> > projected it.
> >
> > The other two statements that you attributed to me are totally
> > misinterpretted. My point was this. We should not buy it when someone at the
> > helm says we need to 'tie our dhothis faster ' for 'development'. We should
> > not get frightened when people say this is the 'last bus' hence everyone
> > keep your breath. Such 'pro-development' stance is not developmental but day
> > light robbery. Here you have to think what is investment. Is it just money?
> > With that will an industry run? Not even an índustry' making fake currency
> > will run without labour. So why should such a partner in an industry or
> > such an investor beg? He/she or the people whom they entrust should
> > negotiate. Anyone who said that one year back was termed anti-developmental.
> > But this government could prove them wrong.
> >
> > If we agree to the statement that an average malayalee youth wants Smart
> > city then he/she will also tell you that they want the best bargain. Hyping
> > a project beyond what it is is to put us at a disadvantage.
> >
> > I hope I have made myself clear.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > On 5/3/07, deepak p < deepakp7_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > joseph mathew, let me restate what u said.
> > >
> > > 1. Smart City is not anything big and not special
> > > 2. Smart City is good because it helped the Government in honing it's
> > > negotiation skills
> > > 3. Reminds people that investment has to come out of good negotiation
> > >
> > > Let me ask you something, what is the thing that the average keralite
> > > youth is interested in?
> > > If he interested in how good the Govt's negotiation skills are, and
> > > how far those skills have improved?
> > > If he interested in knowing what works to bring investment? OR
> > > Is he interested in how a project would help him and his near and
> > > dear, and whether he can get a career out of it, and whether he would be
> > > able to live in better conditions due to the investment?
> > >
> > > Btw, do you believe that the government also took your view and saw
> > > the smart city project as
> > > 1. To make people understand the power of negotiation OR
> > > 2. To better its negotiation skills
> > > I strongly believe that none of these were given great importance and
> > > that importance was attributed to the creation of 90000 jobs and how that
> > > would help in creation of new employment opportunities.
> > >
> > > Hope you would reply as to which aspect you disagree to.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Deepak
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/3/07, Joseph Mathew < josephcm_at_gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > > But what is investment?
> > > >
> > > > Is it just investment of capital or money? What about the investment
> > > > of labour? That way is investment coming in or is someone coming in search
> > > > of investment? Honestly ,I don't see this project as anything that special
> > > > for Kerala. But I hope this will remind people that we don't have to be
> > > > begging for the so called investments instead you need to negotiate. And
> > > > going ahead I hope we can negotiate better.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/3/07, Andrews Mathew < andrewsmathew_at_gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > raju,.
> > > > > an average keralite has his own expectations. he dont want to be a
> > > > > "thadi, beedi, buji". he welcomes smart city for he see a good future in it.
> > > > > he has seen, with in every 5 years, our rulers visit foreign contries for
> > > > > inviting investment. the 'smart cityens' surely have their own interests.
> > > > > that is why they came. it is v who have to uplift our interest. if any thing
> > > > > wrong with the investment of smart city, pl point out what it is and what is
> > > > > the alternative. if u ever have visited a foreign country, seen malayalees
> > > > > struggling for living, u would not have said like this. . pl dont be a
> > > > > 'pinthiripan'. pl let the next generation of poor malayalees to live.
> > > > >
> > > > > andrews mathew
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/3/07, deepak p < deepakp7_at_gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Raju,
> > > > > > i dont get ur argument, although u use words like "violent
> > > > > > desighn" and "virus", u dont seem to justify it.
> > > > > > lemme ask you,
> > > > > > 1. What are the effects of "Smart City" which are undesirable?
> > > > > > 2. What is the alternative model (that guarantees earning of
> > > > > > money) to the Smart City?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Deepak
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/3/07, Arun Sreekumar < arunsree_at_gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quoting CK Raju,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "One cannot have a community-oriented approach in such a
> > > > > > > divided society"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree with the basic vision Raju put forward - our primary
> > > > > > > goal is a society which has no divisions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > Arun
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/2/07, doxa_at_sancharnet.in < doxa_at_sancharnet.in> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joseph,
> > > > > > > > I think after we combine our reading of the situation with
> > > > > > > > some classic interpretation of the environment that uses/promotes non-free
> > > > > > > > software through the words of RMS, the contrast will get evident.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > RMS, for instance, says that existence of non-free software
> > > > > > > > itself is highly depended on a society that remains *divided* (as
> > > > > > > > individuals). Its promotion definitely rests on this divisive-ness, ie, the
> > > > > > > > more you involve yourself in non-free software, the more you are involved in
> > > > > > > > dividing a community (preventing emergence of its *ideal*). That should be
> > > > > > > > our *principal enemy no 1*.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One cannot have a community-oriented approach in such a
> > > > > > > > divided society. Its a paradoxical situation. And conversely, promotion of
> > > > > > > > non-free software is also not possible in a (free-software oriented)
> > > > > > > > community. To me, this is the *reference point* of a framework from where an
> > > > > > > > individual starts interacting with a community in which she is a
> > > > > > > > constituent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Our policy supports an *ideal reference point*, but this
> > > > > > > > project of *Smart City* acts as a virus - it corrupts, distorts and
> > > > > > > > reproduces the unwanted tendencies we are trying to prevent - the
> > > > > > > > consequences are definitely not desirable. I this the present dispensation
> > > > > > > > of people associated with IT ministry is very rare (to the best of my
> > > > > > > > knowledge - I'm sincerely saying this)- we need to make the best out of it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lets continue with our discussion.
> > > > > > > > CK Raju
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Deepak P
> > > > > > > http://deepakp7.googlepages.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Deepak P
> > > > > > http://deepakp7.googlepages.com/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >

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