[കേ.ശാ.സാ.പ] Re: [കേ.ശാ.സാ.à´ª] Re: [കേ.ശാ.സാ

Joseph,
Whatever done sofar in case of the smart is great and good and established
this govts skills in negotiation,job creation ectc.it provved the concept
that we can bring investment with our terms if our strenth,mainly the
untapped marker is taken as a tool for negotiation..I suggest that the govt
should take steps to gret the balance 16% share in smart city free of cost
for the full owership given for some percentage of land to the DIC in or
outside the project.This should also be negotiated or to ensure that the 16%
is a right issue to govt

On 5/3/07, Regi P George <george_regi_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Smart City Promising 90,000 jobs
> How many Kealites will get jobs in Smart City?
> Do we have that much software professionals?
> Can Kerala get all jobs reserved for its poeple?
>
> regi.
>
> *Joseph Mathew <josephcm_at_gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Your were putting words and a certain tone into my mouth :-)
>
> I did say Smart city is not that big as it is made out to be. The court
> says it is a dream project. Why? I have not understood. It is a project
> which will provide building space (not even infrastructure as that is a
> superset) for IT firms at a much better pace than what the government parks
> do. And they might market Kerala more .... But not an óttamuli' as some
> projected it.
>
> The other two statements that you attributed to me are totally
> misinterpretted. My point was this. We should not buy it when someone at the
> helm says we need to 'tie our dhothis faster ' for 'development'. We should
> not get frightened when people say this is the 'last bus' hence everyone
> keep your breath. Such 'pro-development' stance is not developmental but day
> light robbery. Here you have to think what is investment. Is it just money?
> With that will an industry run? Not even an índustry' making fake currency
> will run without labour. So why should such a partner in an industry or
> such an investor beg? He/she or the people whom they entrust should
> negotiate. Anyone who said that one year back was termed anti-developmental.
> But this government could prove them wrong.
>
> If we agree to the statement that an average malayalee youth wants Smart
> city then he/she will also tell you that they want the best bargain. Hyping
> a project beyond what it is is to put us at a disadvantage.
>
> I hope I have made myself clear.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On 5/3/07, deepak p <deepakp7_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > joseph mathew, let me restate what u said.
> >
> > 1. Smart City is not anything big and not special
> > 2. Smart City is good because it helped the Government in honing it's
> > negotiation skills
> > 3. Reminds people that investment has to come out of good negotiation
> >
> > Let me ask you something, what is the thing that the average keralite
> > youth is interested in?
> > If he interested in how good the Govt's negotiation skills are, and how
> > far those skills have improved?
> > If he interested in knowing what works to bring investment? OR
> > Is he interested in how a project would help him and his near and dear,
> > and whether he can get a career out of it, and whether he would be able to
> > live in better conditions due to the investment?
> >
> > Btw, do you believe that the government also took your view and saw the
> > smart city project as
> > 1. To make people understand the power of negotiation OR
> > 2. To better its negotiation skills
> > I strongly believe that none of these were given great importance and
> > that importance was attributed to the creation of 90000 jobs and how that
> > would help in creation of new employment opportunities.
> >
> > Hope you would reply as to which aspect you disagree to.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Deepak
> >
> >
> > On 5/3/07, Joseph Mathew < josephcm_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But what is investment?
> > >
> > > Is it just investment of capital or money? What about the investment
> > > of labour? That way is investment coming in or is someone coming in search
> > > of investment? Honestly ,I don't see this project as anything that special
> > > for Kerala. But I hope this will remind people that we don't have to be
> > > begging for the so called investments instead you need to negotiate. And
> > > going ahead I hope we can negotiate better.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/3/07, Andrews Mathew < andrewsmathew_at_gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > > raju,.
> > > > an average keralite has his own expectations. he dont want to be a
> > > > "thadi, beedi, buji". he welcomes smart city for he see a good future in it.
> > > > he has seen, with in every 5 years, our rulers visit foreign contries for
> > > > inviting investment. the 'smart cityens' surely have their own interests.
> > > > that is why they came. it is v who have to uplift our interest. if any thing
> > > > wrong with the investment of smart city, pl point out what it is and what is
> > > > the alternative. if u ever have visited a foreign country, seen malayalees
> > > > struggling for living, u would not have said like this. . pl dont be a
> > > > 'pinthiripan'. pl let the next generation of poor malayalees to live.
> > > >
> > > > andrews mathew
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/3/07, deepak p < deepakp7_at_gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Raju,
> > > > > i dont get ur argument, although u use words like "violent
> > > > > desighn" and "virus", u dont seem to justify it.
> > > > > lemme ask you,
> > > > > 1. What are the effects of "Smart City" which are undesirable?
> > > > > 2. What is the alternative model (that guarantees earning of
> > > > > money) to the Smart City?
> > > > >
> > > > > Deepak
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/3/07, Arun Sreekumar < arunsree_at_gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Quoting CK Raju,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "One cannot have a community-oriented approach in such a divided
> > > > > > society"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree with the basic vision Raju put forward - our primary
> > > > > > goal is a society which has no divisions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Arun
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/2/07, doxa_at_sancharnet.in < doxa_at_sancharnet.in> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joseph,
> > > > > > > I think after we combine our reading of the situation with
> > > > > > > some classic interpretation of the environment that uses/promotes non-free
> > > > > > > software through the words of RMS, the contrast will get evident.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > RMS, for instance, says that existence of non-free software
> > > > > > > itself is highly depended on a society that remains *divided* (as
> > > > > > > individuals). Its promotion definitely rests on this divisive-ness, ie, the
> > > > > > > more you involve yourself in non-free software, the more you are involved in
> > > > > > > dividing a community (preventing emergence of its *ideal*). That should be
> > > > > > > our *principal enemy no 1*.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One cannot have a community-oriented approach in such a
> > > > > > > divided society. Its a paradoxical situation. And conversely, promotion of
> > > > > > > non-free software is also not possible in a (free-software oriented)
> > > > > > > community. To me, this is the *reference point* of a framework from where an
> > > > > > > individual starts interacting with a community in which she is a
> > > > > > > constituent.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our policy supports an *ideal reference point*, but this
> > > > > > > project of *Smart City* acts as a virus - it corrupts, distorts and
> > > > > > > reproduces the unwanted tendencies we are trying to prevent - the
> > > > > > > consequences are definitely not desirable. I this the present dispensation
> > > > > > > of people associated with IT ministry is very rare (to the best of my
> > > > > > > knowledge - I'm sincerely saying this)- we need to make the best out of it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lets continue with our discussion.
> > > > > > > CK Raju
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Deepak P
> > > > > > http://deepakp7.googlepages.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> "Do not judge me by my actions;
>
> Do not judge me from man's point of view"
>
> "Judge me from God's - by the hidden purpose behind my actions.
> *Regi George wishing you Good Luck. Thanks*
>
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