[കേ.ശാ.സാ.പ] Re: [കേ.ശാ.സാ.à´ª] Re: [à ´•à µ‡.à ´¶à ´¾.à ´¸à ´¾.à ´ª] RE: [??.??.??.?] Economics and Politics of Global Warming Campaign

19.05.07: Nearly two thirds of Kerala population live in the coastal plane on either side of the backwaters which is gradually developing into a 550 long unique metro of 20 million people. A Rapid Mass Transportation Network, in tune with the needs of this emerging Metro and its economy, is the need of the hour. I had published a brief study on these lines, while responding to the Access Controlled Express Highway Project.
K Vijayachandran

pak p <deepakp7_at_gmail.com> wrote: but still, if we have juz one line connecting tvpm and ekm, many places wont be covered, and if thats the case, the system would be no different from running a passenger train on the current railway infrastructure.. i guess a big, effective and predictable network of water and road infrastructure would be the way to go.. with a lot of interchange points between water transport and land transport

 On 5/18/07, Regi P George <george_regi_at_yahoo.com> wrote: In Big Cities Metro Rail System covers more than 100miles distance. Bomaby, NewYork, London are examples.
 Why can't we think for such a system for Kerala. Insted of Cochin Metro if we plan the Metro rail system for total Kerala it will be better.

In Singapore public are discouraged to use personal vehicles. In Manhattan City Public are discouraged to use personal vehicles.

If we can establish a metro rail system between TVM-Cochin gradually we can connect other parts of the state to this system. Year by Year if we extend the system to Cochin-Thrissur-Kasargod-kannur Transportation for the public cheaper and we can save a lot of energy and keep the air less polluted.

regi.

Jagadees Pillai <jpillai_at_velankani.com > wrote:
    I know that the electric vehicles need electricity to drive.
 But what is the purpose of keeping a power plant in your back? What is the purpose of polluting all your ways with carcinogens from start to end? [Public and private]
 How much petroleum is getting wasted in traffic jams and inefficient gear changes? Where you account these loses.
  
 Electricity producing power plants are more efficient than IC engines, since they are using turbines. Also they can use more sophisticated technology for pollution control.
  
 We need energy audit starting from personal level. So work for that and forget about globalization.
  
 Think about small steps. That's the only sustainable thing. Also it gives more efficient error correction methods.
  
 Jagadees.
  
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From: ksspexchange_at_googlegroups.com [mailto: ksspexchange_at_googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuttappan Vijayachandran
 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:59 PM
 To: ksspexchange_at_googlegroups.com
Subject: [??.??.??.?] Re: [เด•เต .เดถเดพ.เดธเดพ.เดช] RE: [??.??.??.?] Economics and Politics of Global Warming Campaign
  
 My Dear: Sorry to say, this is the typical frog in the well approach. And you forget that, the personal vehicles marketed through the web site quoted by you, need electricity from somewhere. Your arguments has revealed serious gaps in your understanding of the subject. Please discuss the details with some of your more informed friends.
Since the the subject raised by Jagadees Pillai relates to IC engines and the transportation sector which consumes more than half of the energy consumed by mankind, I may raise two basic questions that are of paramount importance:
(1) How do you rate the suggestion for discouraging personal transport and replacing it by public transport, as suggested in the platform of Socialist Appeal of Australian labour, that R George had incidentally brought out in his very first response? and,
(2) Does genuine globalisation (we may define it in terms cultural integration of mankind) really need the massive transportation of men and material across the world, as witnessed today, in the name of competitive efficiencies on a global scale?

Let us open up our vision, welcome the dawn of a brave new world with some seriousness, and not seek comfort under more familiar cliches and expressions!

K Vijayachandran
18.05.2007

K Vijayachandran

Jagadees Pillai < jpillai_at_velankani.com> wrote:
  I think we don't have look what US or EU doing. Our discussions don't have any impact on their policies.

  We (KSSP) know about global warming for more than 20 or 30 years and we are working towards popularizing these issues and finding efficient way of resource usage. Smoke less chula is one example.

  But this is not enough. We should more serious on these issues.

  In my opinion whether global warming is reversible or irreversible, or whether it is anthropogenic or not doesn't matter. Important thing is that we have to show efficient and eco-friendly way of life.

  One example is automobiles. The IC engines are only 20-30 % efficient. But we are still using them for transportation. Electric motor and regenerative breaking systems are invented more than 150 years ago. Motor is around 80% efficient. And we are not using them properly.

  We should reduce the growth of petroleum automobiles.

  Never pay our money to petroleum based automobiles and petroleum companies.

  Some EV links:

   http://www.revaindia.com/

   http://www.ekovehicle.com/

   http://www.ultramotors.co.uk/ with hero cycles

   http://www.induselectrans.com/index.htm

   http://www.myatlascycle.com/e-bike.html

   http://www.technobikes.com/index.htm

   http://www.ebike.co.in/

  jagadees

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From: ksspexchange_at_googlegroups.com [mailto: ksspexchange_at_googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kuttappan Vijayachandran
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:57 PM
To: R.V.G. Menon; ksspexchange
Subject: [??.??.??.?] Economics and Politics of Global Warming Campaign

  My Dear RVG,
I do not propose to present any hard formulations on the subject: happy that relevance of the subject is endorsed by many. Let me make some opening remarks in order to get the ball rolling:
The draft KYOTO Protocol was said to be unanimous document. But by the time it came for ratification EU countries had perfected a carbon credit system and US was ready with its GNEP option. Japan, China and Russia were not enthused by either initiative and India was conspicuous with its traditional neutral stand and wanted to be partners in both the initiatives. In US as well as Europe, scientific opinion continued to be divided on the green house theories of global warming. Work of the UN Commission on Climate changes was accelerated on war footing in order to to develop consensus theories. All these debates and discussions lead us to the inevitable conclusion that the solution can not be confined to vastly theoretical models for regulating global temperatures. The scope and content of solutions need to be expanded into the whole question of global governance, global economy and global politics. First world war had led to the formation of League of Nations and the far more
 global Second War led to the current extensive network of global organisations under the UN system, covering nearly all sectors of human endeavour. Both the wars and the long period of cold war were driven by economic interests and had their ideological overtones. Similar or even identical factors are there even behind the divergent views and conflicts on global warming and it is necessary to be aware of them while we debate on global warming and the theoretical models for regulating global temperatures.
We may start the debate by examining (1) the differing perceptions on global warming among scientific communities, (2)the divergent solutions and priorities pursued by EU and USA and the possible reasons for the divergence, and (3) response of other countries to EU and US led solutions.
K Vijayachandran.
 

  
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align=center>"Do not judge me by my actions; Do not judge me from man's point of view"
 "Judge me from God's - by the hidden purpose behind my actions.
Regi George wishing you Good Luck. Thanks
  

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